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Looking for a SIMPLE explanation
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Ben Fullerton
2004-02-21 04:04:41 UTC
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This is my first visit here, even though I have been using a ZIP 100 for
quite a few years now.

It has frequently been a source of great frustration - to the extent that
I gave up on it several times ... but keep coming back because I like the
removable disks with the 100Mb capacity.

The problem is this:
(As it appears to me) it is a SCSI drive with an IDE cable connection on
the back and a miserable excuse for an IDE - SCSI hybrid driver.

It has NEVER worked as advertised - all of the use since I bought it new
many years ago has been with the "guest" driver. I even took it to a
computer shop during the first year that I had it - and their experts
could not get it to respond to anything but the guest driver.

W98SE and W2000Pro both run it as a P&P device, no problem .... except
they assign the wrong drive letter to it.

The last time I tried to set it up for DOS use, I could not even get
"guest" to work. The original CD, showing a 1997 copyright date, is loaded
with SCSI drivers, even though it was sold as an IDE drive and has the IDE
connector!

First question - just for my satisfaction:
Is this a SCSI drive or an IDE drive?

If it is IDE (because it has the IDE connector, not SCSI), why does
"guest" require an IDE to SCSI translator program to be loaded to run it
in DOS?

If it really is, as it seems to think, a SCSI device .... is there any
hope of it being made to behave as a *normal* IDE device in DOS?

I have not gone looking for an updated driver because, at this point, I am
still so confused that I do not know which one to download. I also doubt
that Iomega would be willing to give me the sort of understandable
explanation that I hope to find here. :-)

Final comment: As I now have a CD burner, the main use for the nine ZIP
disks will be for my old favorite DOS software programs and data that I do
not want to be accessible when I have the system on-line with my full time
ADSL connection.

Any suggestions?

Ben F.

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D***@ix.netcom.com
2004-02-21 12:39:24 UTC
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***@chebucto.ns.ca (Ben Fullerton) wrote:

[snip]
Post by Ben Fullerton
(As it appears to me) it is a SCSI drive with an IDE cable connection on
the back and a miserable excuse for an IDE - SCSI hybrid driver.
It has NEVER worked as advertised - all of the use since I bought it new
many years ago has been with the "guest" driver. I even took it to a
computer shop during the first year that I had it - and their experts
could not get it to respond to anything but the guest driver.
W98SE and W2000Pro both run it as a P&P device, no problem .... except
they assign the wrong drive letter to it.
Why do you say it's the "wrong" drive letter?

You can assign just about any letter you want to a Zip drive.
Post by Ben Fullerton
The last time I tried to set it up for DOS use, I could not even get
"guest" to work. The original CD, showing a 1997 copyright date, is loaded
with SCSI drivers, even though it was sold as an IDE drive and has the IDE
connector!
Is this a SCSI drive or an IDE drive?
If it is IDE (because it has the IDE connector, not SCSI), why does
"guest" require an IDE to SCSI translator program to be loaded to run it
in DOS?
If it has an IDE connector, then it's an IDE drive. IDE/ATAPI drives
commonly use ASPI (Advanced SCSI Peripheral Interface) drivers.
Post by Ben Fullerton
If it really is, as it seems to think, a SCSI device .... is there any
hope of it being made to behave as a *normal* IDE device in DOS?
What do you mean by "normal"?

[snip]
Post by Ben Fullerton
Any suggestions?
You might be interested in my website (which hasn't been updated in
ages).
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Coping With Zip And Jaz Drives
http://pw2.netcom.com/~deepone/zipjaz/index.html
Ben Fullerton
2004-02-21 14:28:40 UTC
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***@ix.netcom.com wrote:
: ***@chebucto.ns.ca (Ben Fullerton) wrote:

: [snip]

[BIG snip]

: You might be interested in my website (which hasn't been updated in
: ages).

: Coping With Zip And Jaz Drives
: http://pw2.netcom.com/~deepone/zipjaz/index.html

Thanks. I will have a look at your website, list the files that I know it
needed when I ran it in DOS a year or two ago, and get back with detailed
responses to your questions in the [snipped] part of this posting.

Ben F
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Ben Fullerton
2004-02-21 19:09:38 UTC
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Ben Fullerton (***@chebucto.ns.ca) wrote:
: ***@ix.netcom.com wrote:
: : ***@chebucto.ns.ca (Ben Fullerton) wrote:

: : [snip]

: [BIG snip]

: : You might be interested in my website (which hasn't been updated in
: : ages).

: : Coping With Zip And Jaz Drives
: : http://pw2.netcom.com/~deepone/zipjaz/index.html

: Thanks. I will have a look at your website, list the files that I know it
: needed when I ran it in DOS a year or two ago, and get back with detailed
: responses to your questions in the [snipped] part of this posting.

: Ben F

I am back. I have not found the files in question yet but did have a quick
look around your website.

WOW!!! What a treasure trove of understandable explanations for so many
things. Not just Zip and Jaz but also Windows and DOS.

That will be my first place to look whenever I get to the point of cussing
out this obstinate collection of bits and bytes and boondoggles. :-)

This will take a while, as I have other things that demand my time - both
at the computer and away from it.

I will be back .... and I hope the questions will sound a bit more
intelligent in the future.

Ben F.

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