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[Edward Knobloch]

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[Ghostrider]

Post by Edward Knobloch
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Hi Ed,

Newsgroup still exists but not much activity. The ZIP and
JAZ drives are "old" technology. It sure was interesting
here, 4 or 5 years back.

[Rob S]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:21:39 -0800, Ghostrider <-00-@fitron.142> wrote:

-Newsgroup still exists but not much activity. The ZIP and
-JAZ drives are "old" technology. It sure was interesting
-here, 4 or 5 years back.

But still being made, and used by thousand - millions? worldwide.

A cheap, cheerful, idiot proof replacement simply isn't available.

Hard Disk backup? Not cheap, and not easily "removeable"
USB flash drive? Not idiot proof
CDs? Not idiot proof. Very prone to scratch damage.

Seems to me the hardware manufacturers have concentrated purely on capacity, and
forgotten there are people out here who need ease of use just as importantly....


-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com

[Ghostrider]

Post by Rob S
-Newsgroup still exists but not much activity. The ZIP and
-JAZ drives are "old" technology. It sure was interesting
-here, 4 or 5 years back.
But still being made, and used by thousand - millions? worldwide.
A cheap, cheerful, idiot proof replacement simply isn't available.
Hard Disk backup? Not cheap, and not easily "removeable"
USB flash drive? Not idiot proof
CDs? Not idiot proof. Very prone to scratch damage.
Seems to me the hardware manufacturers have concentrated purely on capacity, and
forgotten there are people out here who need ease of use just as importantly....
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com

At one time, the 44 MB Bernoulli Drive was thought of as the
external drive to outlast all external drives. And then came
the ZIP drive and the JAZ drive. Capacity is important and one
just needs to look at the "bloat" at generating the same *.pdf
file using Acrobat 4.0 through 7.0, in the KB range with the
former and MB range with the latter.

And also convenience. USB jump drives currently up to 4 GB capacity
are easy to use. For larger transport/storage needs, resurrected
HD's in USB/Firewire enclosures have proven ideal. And the move to
file storage on 4.7 GB DVD's. The more different media used, the
better the idiot-proofing...of both the utility and user.

[Rob S]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:24:12 -0800, Ghostrider <-00-@fitron.142> wrote:

-At one time, the 44 MB Bernoulli Drive was thought of as the
-external drive to outlast all external drives. And then came
-the ZIP drive and the JAZ drive. Capacity is important and one
-just needs to look at the "bloat" at generating the same *.pdf
-file using Acrobat 4.0 through 7.0, in the KB range with the
-former and MB range with the latter.

Agreed.

But the databases we use consistently compress down to less than 100Mb.

-And also convenience. USB jump drives currently up to 4 GB capacity
-are easy to use. For larger transport/storage needs, resurrected
-HD's in USB/Firewire enclosures have proven ideal. And the move to
-file storage on 4.7 GB DVD's. The more different media used, the
-better the idiot-proofing...of both the utility and user.

Well your definition of idiot proof isn't the same as mine. Jump drives aren't.
Idiots take the things out without waiting for files to finish copying, or while
files are open on them. They don't click the stupid "safely remove hardware"
icon. Similar with external HDDs.

DVDs aren't easy to write to. Even the built in writer in Windows isn't
foolproof. Files copied back from CD are read only by default.

I'm sorry, I'm not convinced....

It's a shame the MO drive didn't get widely adopted.

regards


-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com

[GHalleck]

Rob S wrote:

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Post by Rob S
Well your definition of idiot proof isn't the same as mine. Jump drives aren't.
Idiots take the things out without waiting for files to finish copying, or while
files are open on them. They don't click the stupid "safely remove hardware"
icon. Similar with external HDDs.
DVDs aren't easy to write to. Even the built in writer in Windows isn't
foolproof. Files copied back from CD are read only by default.
I'm sorry, I'm not convinced....
It's a shame the MO drive didn't get widely adopted.
regards
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com

Is this the only activity going on at the ZIP/JAZ sites
these days? Maybe DeepOne will check in and say "Hello"
and extend a Greetings for the Season.

Likewise, it has been my observation that only an idiot
knows how to undo an "idiot-proof" system. My way of idiot-
proofing is to eliminate the "idiot-user".

[D***@ix.netcom.com]

Post by GHalleck
Is this the only activity going on at the ZIP/JAZ sites
these days? Maybe DeepOne will check in and say "Hello"
and extend a Greetings for the Season.

Hello. I don't do season's greetings (the only good P.C. is a
Personal Computer). But you're welcome to have a Merry Christmas
whether you celebrate it or not. :)

This newsgroup has been dead for awhile. Iomega had some discussion
forums at their website, but I don't know whether they're still there.
My old website still averages about 100 visitors per day - even though
I haven't made any updates to it for about 5 years now.

[Rob S]

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:37:10 -0800, GHalleck <***@arrakian.mining.com>
wrote:

-Likewise, it has been my observation that only an idiot
-knows how to undo an "idiot-proof" system. My way of idiot-
-proofing is to eliminate the "idiot-user".

So - imagine this - you are in business selling PCs or software. Someone wants
to buy from you. Do you ask them if they are an idiot or MCSE level (or both?).
That would make you an idiot too....


-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com

[Ghostrider]

Post by Rob S
-Likewise, it has been my observation that only an idiot
-knows how to undo an "idiot-proof" system. My way of idiot-
-proofing is to eliminate the "idiot-user".
So - imagine this - you are in business selling PCs or software. Someone wants
to buy from you. Do you ask them if they are an idiot or MCSE level (or both?).
That would make you an idiot too....
-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com

I think a plausible scenario is this. First, sell a proven,
idiot-proof system. By definition, it would have to be a
dumb-downed one fitted to the lowest common denominator of
user within the client-purchaser's organization and which
conforms to the minimal expectations of the client. Any worker
who fails to meet the competency level expected of the client
gets eliminated. And don't laugh...the upcoming operant jargon
on Human Resources for the immediate future is "Competency".
Heck, even a Donald Rumsfeld can get the axe.

[Rob S]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:44:40 -0800, Ghostrider <-00-@fitron.142> wrote:


- Any worker
-who fails to meet the competency level expected of the client
-gets eliminated. And don't laugh...the upcoming operant jargon
-on Human Resources for the immediate future is "Competency".
-Heck, even a Donald Rumsfeld can get the axe.

We sell to shop workers. I think they can break things even Rumsfeld would
struggle to.


-Rob
robatwork at mail dot com